facts. 80 minutes charging what kind of moron is going to sit at a charging station for 80 minutes every 100 miles using the energy from a coal or gas power power plant to recharge .

Charging stations are conveniently placed at shopping/restaurant malls. A break for lunch, shopping takes up that much time anyway.

Let me get this straight. For argument sake; a billion carbon puffers are driving around now. If we condense the puffing to just a few puffers that generate E across the nation, and say it's just a few hundred thou E-plants peppered all around producing carbon. The question is, did the carbon print drop per change in transportation. Is the snow surface cleaner at both poles. Did you drop a few brain cells not thinking this out.

Shit, you wish you owned a tesla. Fastest production car I've ever been in and that was just the standard single motor.

The sr-71 uses a second jet fuel to obtain mac3; so this shit they inject; explodes at 70°F on its own. How do you get all these fuels? They distill crude and they separate into gases like jet fuels, pump gas, diesel, etc. So when the oil spills keep occurring, the sun evaps the oil and oh look, heat created by the sun's distilling.

Stop an engine?... pop the clutch. Stop an electric drill with your hand?... good luck. Torque beats your gas engine, right? Backasswords is U about E.

E is great, it just cost too much and is produced by natgas or the evil coal. There are 2 of us here in a 2000 sqft house, better half is already retired and home during the day. Without a Tesla our E bill is $200-250/m, and when it gets hot in the summer and we run AC for a few weeks add another $200/m. We are always in the 5th or top tier of the E rate structure. It would be stupid expensive to charge a Leaf or Volt at the top rate. And I'd have to buy one of the $40K POS too.

If the CA enviro waco's and USG would take their heads out of their asses and allow the engineers to develop the 5th gen clean, safe nuclear power plants (which we already know how to do from the military systems) in 30 years we could have all the free electricity any gearhead could want for their e-bikes, or in the Liberals case skateboards.

Daughter's BF has one of the special edition Maclaren hybrids, about 2000 lbs of carbon fiber and 960HP from batteries and a twin turbo F1 type V8 that drives a generator, so I do know about fast hybrids - they are pretty amazing.

So performance wise E cars are great, as far as saving the polar bears, not happening

Daughter's BF has one of the special edition Maclaren hybrids, about 2000 lbs of carbon fiber and 960HP from batteries and a twin turbo F1 type V8 that drives a generator, so I do know about fast hybrids - they are pretty amazing.

So what happens to that OVER PRICED piece of shit when it got no gas.

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Its like a LA rich guy dick measuring thing, with no gas but some amps in the batteries he can drive it to cars-n-coffee for a decaf latte

'crude, your power company doesn't have a "green" program that uses a separate sub-panel electric meter to charge electric vehicles at a discounted rate per kilowatt? Many power companies now have programs so they can receive credit for contributing to green energy. Many companies MUST participate in these programs or face penalties/consequences.

yes they have 3-4 in a few sights and I here the competition to get juice is an issue

'crude, your power company doesn't have a "green" program

yeah get logic taxpayer money subsiding electricity for EV owners . great idea until subsiding stops like it did for E85 and then you pay full price . Corn for fuel all it did was raise the price of food. but Dumbass Dipshits fall for it every time.

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 11/22/2019 @ 5:32 PM *

Well its official.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2019/november/kawasaki-zzr1400-discontinued/

Well.That's that then.Now onto a 14 version of a supercharged beast.H2Se was the beginning.Can't hardly wait to see the all new zx15.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/22/2019 @ 7:56 PM *

It was a really nice run.

I'm not disappointed for sure.Great bike.Plan on having a lot more fun times with it.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/22/2019 @ 11:15 PM *

Sad news indeed. I've owned a 2008 and now a 2015 ZX14R. This one will take me out as my next bike in a few years will be some type of touring bike. Now to enjoy a few more years of ZX14R...

I was late to the ZX14/ZX14r party, getting my '08 just a few months ago. The effortless power and smoothness of the this bike are so appealing to me. Kawasaki seems to be shifting their performance engine development to the supercharged engine. I guess that's OK, but the H2 bikes sure come at a big jump in price.

KAK, this is just speculation but the next engine family might turn to lower cc's and incorporate SC to compensate. And/or increase cc and add SC. Air driven or gear driven, I don't know who puts out more, but I know hot gas takes more plumbing and more parts which adds weight. So an SC and big bore raises the meat puppet meter in my book.

The next build in the sky is to load up a pound or two of sensors instead. Like the axis telemetry the r1 uses. That came out in '015 and it's basically a drifting tool. The trickled down tech from the yammie camp in motogp. I'll take Binder's settings thank you.

I'm just saying, it has to be faster than the 14 so who else would bring out the beater than mother tea. She won't bring out my kind of bike, but you can dream for a few months and wonder about the next engine family. A year ago I entertained myself; I walked into a dealership, plopped my fat ass on that r1, swooshed it between my lets and if that next gen would be that light, the meat meter is at full swing.

No axis, no thanks. I'll wait and still ride what I have bare naked and not rely on the diaper sensors for that momentary drift. Now if it became a blend of E and gas, you have my attention. Meaning, spool up the air with a motor helping the normally aspirated engine. Fly by wire, because a stepper is faster than your wrist and especially in the calc of it... if you get my drift.

I'm all for that blend of hybrid harvesting as well. E out of the neighborhood. E to town, i.e., surface roads. Then the spool and spark kick in. If all E and it breaks the 0 to 60 mark for any vehicle, I'm all in. Let the countdown continue.

I am 64 years young. By the time electric vehicles becomes the norm, and it is mandatory to own an electric vehicle, I will be dead. So electric vehicles are not a concern, nowhere near my list of things worth spending my money.

I am not concerned Kawasaki discontinued the ZX14R either. If my vintage 1978 KZ-1000 has survived decades (42 years), my bulletproof 2010 ZX14 or a used well maintained ZX14R should meet all of my needs. Enough to last me a lifetime, or whatever healthy years I have left on this earth.

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I am 64 years young. By the time electric vehicles becomes the norm, and it is mandatory to own an electric vehicle, I will be dead. So electric vehicles are not a concern, nowhere near my list of things worth spending my money.

I really don't care one way or the other about electrified vehicles. My fear is that forced compliance may come in the way of manufactured gas shortages.

One of the economic reasons to switch to EV is that electricity is cheaper than gas.

What do you think will happen to the price of electricity once everyone is moved over...

I would like to start of by saying electric cars and motorcycles can F*ck Off!. Ok now that we have that out of the way I can explain exactly why.

First and foremost let’s talk about the Ohh so “planet friendly” Formula E racing series. Now at first glance you might think that this “clean” form of racing must be the way of the future, right?? Not so much. Let take a peek at what’s really going on.
The very first indication this might be Bullshit is the 20 CAT Diesel generators in the pits running full throttle charging the batteries for these cars. Each car uses two 550 pound Lithium batteries per race. These batteries put out 250KW of power, and have a maximum output of 54KWH (kilowatt hours). On the high side the average U.S. home uses about 20KWH of power per day. One Formula E car, in one race uses four times that in 50 minutes. The recent Hong Kong race had 25 cars on the grid, using fifty 550lb Lithium batteries in 50 minutes. That’s a total of 2700 Kilowatt Hours. Or more than enough to power 10 homes for a month. That’s a lot of juice! Also the five power-plants in Hong Kong are powered by Diesel, Coal, and Gasoline. Whoopsie!

Now let’s take a look at these newfangled Lithium batteries. The big companies hawking electric cars and motorcycles would love you to believe that Fossil fuel is so harmful, and electric power is so clean. It’s actually the opposite. We are swapping a carbon monoxide problem that is fixable and controllable. For a toxic Lithium mining that kills wild life, ruins the water table and destroys agriculture. The mining process uses a ton of water. A million gallons of water per 2 metric tons of lithium(Each Tesla has 12 kilos of Lithium). In some South American countries like Chile. Lithium mining uses almost 70% of the countries water supply. Also if you are naïve enough to think that there isn’t a bunch of diesel powered machinery used in the process? Think again. These Lithium batteries also leave a toxic footprint on the way out. Contamination of landfills and seeping into the water table......…

My nice home is run on a total off a 100 amp service panel.

To have the pleasure of buying a $1200 fast charger from Tesla I need a 70-90 amp dedicated circuit. I would need the entire service panel updated/replaced at a SWAG cost of $10K (including the CA permits and plans).

Probably the same for a Bolt or a Volt too. Unless I want to spend ~$40000 on solar power and batteries to charge the new EV at night.

So if I go conservative and all in to help save the gay black transgender polar bears from global warming with photovoltaic generated power and get the Tesla fast charge and the mid-level $50000 Tesla ....

Let me add this all up, only $101200 needed to go with a Tesla. Now if I was of the mind set to spend $100K on something to do with a car its gonna have a Porsche GT3 RS badge on it.

I also looked into solar and batteries for home, cause I hate paying the high cost of CA electric bill - it never pays for itself until after Im dead.

A stupid E-bicycle that doesn't have the range and the juice to even do my 20 mile RT commute and get me back home up the big hill I live on is $2500

Whats the point? Its not the future except of the wet dreams of a few liberals

* Last updated by: cruderudy on 11/25/2019 @ 5:42 PM *

Just to continue the rant for a moment,

I wrote a paper in a Grad class I took a while ago on a System level approach to a modern power generation and grid update. My thesis for this paper was to develop new clean and safe nuclear power plants and provide free electricity to everyone. I based the architecture on a network of 30 new power plants that would take about 30 yrs to complete. ANd to pay for the technology development and construction to bring this online I proposed selling oil and gas leases to the Chinese and Asian nation who dont have much oil.

I worked thru the details of design with the professor, who in the end concluded it was an executable plan. All paid for by the communist Chinese (with the funds from our trade deficit by the way)

So free electric power to the entire nation in 30 yrs paid for with no tax $$ - but will never ever happen because the only thing liberals hate more than Trump and oil/nat gas is nuclear power plants, even new modern safe ones

Our previous president tried to foist off ethanol from corn as a renewable form of combustible fuel. However, compared to gasoline, it's a loser. Ethanol has less energy per gallon than gasoline, which is the reason your mileage drops when switching to ethanol from gasoline. Also, the cost to produce ethanol had to be subsidized by us, the taxpayers, to get it on par cost-wise with gasoline. Finally, the ethanol production process uses a lot of water, which is not always in in abundance in the Midwest ethanol producing areas. The point is, other ideas to replace gasoline with something 'better' had a lot of unintended consequences which were ignored by their advocates. Like others have already stated, electricity is not as clean in a lot of areas as E-car and bike advocates would have you believe. Hopefully,

Its not the future except of the wet dreams of a few liberals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u82jwyLMvI8
5:40 - Shows the throttle body.
11:30 - Shows the intake manifold as one piece body.

Waiting for this to be standard. Then the VCT (variable cam timing) put in play... Down the road is the future. I think the bmw twin is now up to 1800cc so a zx16 or they play the game of zx15-16-17 for gens to come.